In that case these project is useless. If the developers are too busy with their life, families, work, etc. like me and I understand. If it was me I would terminate the project instead of stretching it around here and there.

This extension, (project) requires attention and support, without the support it is nothing. If you do not have the time to support, assist and help the users, then what is the point of developing it, and also when it is almost impossible to use it.

I am not complaining about anything. I am just trying to explain, what is the point of working on this project when we are all too busy to support, help each other, etc. and when we can't support and make this extension 100% stable and usable it is better just to stop it so we do not waste everybody's time and energy.

Constant and endless bugs, errors and fixes since Joomlaboard. I never was able to use this extension due to the problems. I have just been playing with it on my test site since Joomlaboard.

Family, work, friends, life is first. I know. It is pointless to continue working on this project when we do not have the time for it. That's what I mean.

Full ack, ivo.apostolov...

Unfortunately there are not many devs in the team. And so we cannot expect, that they can answer on any posts. But hey! We are a community and so we can help each other...

And some guys does it and posted hotfixes and tries to help other users. When I not have so much problems to write in English, I would write more here.

Babahun

This is your opinion. Some people like me, consider this project as very useful.

ivo.apostolov wrote:
rsavoia

I am really sorry for your feelings, but as me being part of other pretty big extension, I would like to note that there are few things that you should consider:
- These developers spent time in development - THEIR FREE TIME
- Spending more time on communication would lead to you know what? More delays, so you should not wait for few months, but maybe a year.
- These people have families, and probably children. Except that they should work to earn money, they should pay attention to their families, to their friends and they still find time to contribute.
- They can not share what the plans are (i.e. features to come, release dates etc.), most probably because they are pretty much not sure what would happen. I have seen the opposite attitude, developers stating: "Next version will come out on 1 Sept" and do you know what happens if they fail? Or if they release something without all bugs being fixed? I will tell you what. End users like you start complaining about the extension having problems.

So, what is the solution? Either keep on OS projects and take the risks they have, or either purchase something/hire a developer to fix it.
That's it.

And you see, now I spent 15 minutes to write this post, rather than writing one page of the documentation I work on or fixing 2-3 bugs reported.

That's life

Thanks for the response, but I think you missed the point.

1. - These developers spent time in development - THEIR FREE TIME

I understand that and noted it in my post above. Also realize that the community spends time supporting themselves and each other on it. THEIR FREE TIME (We're all in this together. It's not developers/users or WE/THEY).

2. - Spending more time on communication would lead to you know what? More delays, so you should not wait for few months, but maybe a year.

Sorry, that doesn't wash. No one is asking them to devote 50% of their time to the forums. Obviously SOMEONE or SOMEONES is/are managing the content on BOJ. How much time does it take to shoot out an update once a week? Surely there is a project roadmap or timeline shared between the developers for the sake of keeping the project somewhat on track. How much time does it take to simply post it? Come on, fifteen minutes to pop in and say, "Hi, this is what's happening" once a week isn't going to delay the project a year. That's just an excuse for not wanting to do it.

3. - These people have families, and probably children. Except that they should work to earn money, they should pay attention to their families, to their friends and they still find time to contribute.

So do we. So do we. And we still have to find time to wrestle with this component on our sites, mostly on our own. We still have to find time to post in here answering the questions of others and looking for answers ourselves. Once again, this should not be a WE/THEY issue. We are no different from them.

4. - They can not share what the plans are (i.e. features to come, release dates etc.), most probably because they are pretty much not sure what would happen. I have seen the opposite attitude, developers stating: "Next version will come out on 1 Sept" and do you know what happens if they fail? Or if they release something without all bugs being fixed? I will tell you what. End users like you start complaining about the extension having problems.

They may not be sure what will happen, but surely they have a plan. If they are working without a plan, that's not very organized and not very smart. I am sure they are both organized and smart, they just are not very communicative. As for failing to make a deadline, that's part of the process. Then again, when you start a project, you want to set general deadlines to reach, not anything too specific. Hey, September 1 isn't necessary. September or Q3 would suffice. We don't have anything now.

"And you see, now I spent 15 minutes to write this post, rather than writing one page of the documentation I work on or fixing 2-3 bugs reported."

And this is exactly what I am talking about. How many years will that 15 minutes set you back? I am not trying to be flippant here, and please don't take offense at it, but this is exactly the sort of reasoning that perpetuates the problem.

You see, if someone would spend 15 minutes providing a general update once a week or so, you wouldn't have to spend an additional 15 minutes generating a dedicated response to me and I wouldn't spend 15 minutes in a dedicated reply and this entire thread would not exist.

How much time is lost dealing with this entire thread and other threads like it that could have been spent writing docs or code?

Think about it.

I agree that we as a community should help each other. I always try to share the bug fixes I have found or discovered myself. But unfortunately some users never share them instead they hide their "top secret" bug fixes and solutions all to themselves.

I have seen several users posting that they fixed their problem but never share them. If I had the same problem and found the thread, all I see most of the time is, "Never mind I fixed it." and when I ask how did you do that, there is no reply at all. Because of this, I got angry and decided to do the same, maybe 1 or 2 times. When I had a fix, I did not share them, because I was so angry.

After that, whenever I saw a help question I tried my best to help them.

I think we should share the hot fixes bug fixes with each other instead of making them a top secret information.

Babahun wrote:
I think we should share the hot fixes bug fixes with each other instead of making them a top secret information.
You are right... nobody is helped when people don't supply their knowledge and contribution each other. I wonder that no one write a manual for FB by now and release it here...

I think we'll soon see if this project die, if were wont be release in couple weeks, then its just false promiss of good news,other way good job done

Well I really think that this website started as a Joomla Forum project and now is just a shopping website full of ads and special offers in every corner. More like a flea market. The developers of fireboard only have two options, to continue with the original project or leave the project to the members of the community that are really interested in a reliable Open Source Project. People should remember that fireboard is OPEN SOURCE project so if enough people get together and start making a decent fork of this joomla component the project will continue in another place and maybe become more stable and reliable. Or maybe give all the support to other forum projects like Agora 1.0.4 Acropolis or Joo!BB - Joomla! Bulletin Board, Im sure they will appreciate the help in developing something nice to the joomla community. When Fireboard arrived to the joomla extensions area I was really excited and very happy that a nice looking and working forum was created but I was alive without Fireboard so I will live if they just decide to die off. So people think about the recommendations and if a group think that can join together and do a decent work go ahead. The Joomla community will be very happy about it.

Morpheus wrote:
Well I really think that this website started as a Joomla Forum project and now is just a shopping website full of ads and special offers in every corner.
You are absolutely wrong. This web site never started as Joomla Forum project. The forum extension was re-worked by Danailt for this web site he decided to share it with the community.

More like a flea market. The developers of fireboard only have two options, to continue with the original project or leave the project to the members of the community that are really interested in a reliable Open Source Project.
Why if there are members of the community that could support its development didn't join the dev team? Or even, why didn't they fork? The fact is that the members of the community mostly request someone to do all the job for free, immediately.

People should remember that fireboard is OPEN SOURCE project so if enough people get together and start making a decent fork of this joomla component the project will continue in another place and maybe become more stable and reliable.

If you think, you can do it better, you and anyone is free to fork it. As I have been part of the Joomlaboard development in the past, I would tell you that this is not that easy task. Are you going to meet the same expectations that you have now?

Or maybe give all the support to other forum projects like Agora 1.0.4 Acropolis or Joo!BB - Joomla! Bulletin Board, Im sure they will appreciate the help in developing something nice to the joomla community.


And why do you think BOJ will not appreciate such help? Did you offer such help and it was declined?


When Fireboard arrived to the joomla extensions area I was really excited and very happy that a nice looking and working forum was created but I was alive without Fireboard so I will live if they just decide to die off.

I don't see anyone who is going to die, except in people's imagination.

So people think about the recommendations and if a group think that can join together and do a decent work go ahead. The Joomla community will be very happy about it.

Well, time will tell. I hope that everything that has been said in favor of this project is true because Joomla really need a reliable and stable Forum. A forum is the core of many websites around and with a joomla website the possibilities are endless.